How far along the process did the album title come into existence?
“My mum died in July 2024, and we didn't have a good relationship. She was not a great mother. I had a couple of lines that I'd written, but the original was something like, ‘You grew up in a stable home / I grew up in a house of cards’ – one of the first things I'd written about the entire thing that was emblematic of my housing situation.
“It was stressful. It did feel like things could collapse at any time. There was a lot of emotional abuse, physical abuse, and it's strange, because when you go through it, you're comparing what you experience to all the other horror stories you hear. I grew up thinking my life was pretty normal. You go through your formative years, start discussing your childhood with your peers – even having kids can bring it up – and [you realise], ‘It's bad.’ The whole album grows from that concept. It felt like the right title, even though the lines that birthed the idea aren't even on the album.”
You released a standalone single last May, All That I Remember, exploring your relationship with your mother. Did that open the door for what you wanted to say?
“It's not [on the album], but the kick-off point was that song. That's when she died, and the way she died was extremely fucked-up. She drank herself to death and had massive organ failure, cancer, fluid build-up, and at the end, she was losing three kilos a day for a sustained period. I've got a brother and a sister. She cut us off two weeks before she died, and told the hospital not to give us health updates. It was super fucked-up. I wrote [All That I Remember] about it, and I was like, ‘Really, that's just skimming the surface of the broader experience.’ The song House Of Cards is for my brother and sister as much as it is for me.”
Would you say the young child in the House Of Cards video represents your siblings just as much as your younger self?
“I spoke with Dan Daly, who's done a bunch of our videos, and he had a pretty similar childhood. The kid purges himself of his mother by the end of the clip. The reference for all the stuff coming out of his mouth was actually – this is funny – [1999 film] The Mummy. The whole thing is about trying to find shelter, unsuccessfully. Also, I think anyone that's been raised by an absent parent can relate to the TV being there a lot of the time. That's the strongest reference I can put there. For me, it was bodyboarding, volleyball, skating and swimming – anything to keep me away from my home.
“The whole thing is trying to examine this idea we have in society, which is well-founded for the most part, that a mother is supposed to [represent] safety and nurture. When you have a mother that is not nurturing, gentle or safe, but abusive and an alcoholic, it's confusing. That’s an overarching theme within the record. This sacred space in society, motherhood. What does it look like for the people who are affected by it when it's not that? It can fuck you up.”