Now you’re both in a position to give back, is it important to you that Architects and Bring Me can help younger bands get a leg up?
Sam: “Yeah. I think we were lucky on the last tour that we could take Polaris out ‘cause they’re sick. It felt good to have them on the tour.”
Oli: “They’re sick, that band. I listened to them after that, they’re really cool.”
Sam: “They remind me of us when we were younger. And they were really nice, humble dudes who just couldn’t believe they were on that tour. That’s the coolest feeling, seeing a young band turn up to a venue like Wembley like, ‘Woah! I can’t believe we’re doing this!’ That’s almost more rewarding than doing the show yourself, seeing how stoked someone else is about playing it.”
Oli: “And the thing you do realise is there’s so many great bands around, and there have been so many great bands who just never make it. And that’s so unfair. So bands like YONAKA, I think they’re making songs that, if No Doubt came back and played those songs, they’d be massive. So why shouldn’t their band have the same chance? If you think something’s good, you can’t just think, ‘They’ll do fine, they’re gonna be massive,’ because it’s not always the case.”
Things for new bands are different than they were when you guys were starting out, with venues closing and so forth. How do you view the environment they’re coming into?
Sam: “I think it’s sort of gone through that dip. I can only speak for Brighton, and there’s venues closing, but new ones are opening, too. I think as you get older and become a bigger band, you’re a bit separate from those things. When I was a kid playing shows in my hometown, this tiny village, I felt like the scene was wherever you were. So when I was 13, I thought our local scene was fucking booming! But I like to think there are still these little scenes where the bands eventually move on and become these bigger things, like Loathe or Lotus Eater.”
Oli: “I got into hot water with some of my comments on rock music recently, but all I’m trying to say is that it’s time for the scene to step it up a bit. For the longest time it’s been that people just wanted to go to a gig ‘cause they liked rock music and that was enough for them. But now that everything’s so readily accessible, people need more. I think what’s good is, because there’s less rock out there, people are becoming a bit more open-minded and saying, ‘Right, I don’t just like Architects or Bring Me The Horizon, I like The 1975 and Post Malone and Stormzy.’”
That’s a type of thinking both of your bands seem to have embraced…
Oli: “It totally is. What we’re trying to do with All Points East is say: forget about the scene. The bands that will persevere are the bands who are just making good music and doing something interesting. And because of that, I think there could be a resurgence of rock, because everyone’s bucking up their ideas and pushing and trying to do something special. It will happen. Rock’s not going anywhere. It was just lagging behind a little bit in terms of progression, and I think it’s time for the audience to become more open-minded and step away from boundaries.”
Sam: “If you look at bands like Arctic Monkeys or The 1975 or Bring Me, they’ve all released different albums to what they were doing before, and they’ve all gone to Number One. They’re all pushing themselves creatively and made something amazing that people aren’t sure of at first, but then love. And that inspires bands like us because we don’t want to stay in this safe lane.”
Sam: “‘Cause after you’ve been in a band 13, 14 years, you can piss out a heavy record (laughs)! You can’t go in and just chug, it’s boring. Push yourself. Don’t do something that’s safe, because eventually you’ll lose that excited feeling you used to get from writing music.”
Oli: “I appreciate that as a kid that it’s hard to understand that your tastes evolve. When I was 16, all I wanted was fast heaviness, and I couldn’t imagine myself growing out of that. And I haven’t grown out of it, but your palate just changes. I think what you have to do is be a band that surpasses a genre. Look at all the most successful bands: Linkin Park were a heavy band for people who don’t like heavy bands. Arctic Monkeys are an indie band for people who don’t like indie. I hate indie, but I love Arctic Monkeys. Architects – loads of people don’t like heavy music or metal, but love Architects.”