“I hate it when people ask me what one of my songs is about.”
A twitch of frustration flickers over Jacob Charlton’s normally untroubled face.
“I hate it. It makes my blood boil. It just feels so lazy. If you want to find out what a song means, you should read the lyrics for yourself!”
Thankfully, Thornhill’s otherwise charming frontman is not objecting to Kerrang!’s line of questioning. Well past his bedtime at home in Melbourne, near the end of an extended Christmas break, Jacob is actually explaining why another publication’s request for his track-by-track breakdown of last year’s ARIA-winning third album BODIES saw him cheekily feeding the lyric sheet into ChatGPT. Yes, really.
“We’ve actually done that twice,” he grins. “The first time, I was being a bit of a baby. We got the request through late and I was already out helping my mum move house, so Cage [bassist Nick Sjogren] sent the answers off for me. The second time, I did it as a joke. I’m absolutely against every facet of AI, but I did find it funny to see this computer try to explain what I’d written, which is never really on that surface level of, ‘I love this person,’ or, ‘I hate that thing,’ and has me creating a lot of my own metaphors. So many of our songs were only even named when I found out what they meant after finishing them. I always go back to an old David Bowie interview I saw where he talks about how artists would rather talk about the process. There’s so much more interesting stuff in the nitty-gritty of creation than in the final outcome.”
Ten years since they started out as school kids in Melbourne, Jacob and his bandmates – Cage, guitarist Ethan McCann and drummer Ben Maida – have more than earned the right to unpack their music on their terms. After the shady promise of 2019 debut album The Dark Pool and the bold, widescreen vision of 2022’s follow-up Heroine, BODIES confirmed Thornhill as one of the most important acts in modern heavy music.
As important as it is to let their art stand on its own terms, though, Jacob is a born storyteller, and away from the songs there is much to discuss.
Part of that is the minutiae of human experience. Heroine, for instance, was created under the heavy shadow of Jacob’s parents “splitting up, selling the house and putting [his] dog down”. More broadly, coming of age in the wake of COVID is reflected in the pent-up horniness and blissful release of their last two records, chiming with fans like his younger brother, who spent his 17th and 18th birthdays under strict lockdown. Then there’s the confidence found from bringing together fashion, dance and unconventional sonic influences like R&B that have made them scene leaders in heavy music’s seductive new world order.
So, why exactly did Thornhill opt to go against the metallic grain?
“Probably because people said it’s what we shouldn’t do,” Jacob winks. “It’s the whole teen angst thing. The more people diss a certain approach, the more you want to throw yourself into it. We like to do our own videos. We like to do our own clothing. We like to be as involved with every step of the process as possible. The music that I grew up listening to – ’90s stuff, grunge, Nirvana and Silverchair, even Gorillaz and Jeff Buckley – was all about deep, experimental characters and bands. If you want to make interesting heavy music, you shouldn’t listen to heavy music. You need to draw influence from somewhere else. Those influences show through in something that’s uniquely you.”